# Working Forever Might Not Be So Bad

Taken from a previous post:

FIRE [Financially Independent, Retired Early] is generally defined as the stage a person reaches when the return on their investments is enough to cover their living expenses. A quick bit of math you can do to figure out your FIRE number is to take your annual expenses and multiply by 25. (If you spend \$25,000/year for example, your FIRE number is \$625,000. Start saving.)”

You can read the rest of that post here, though my description of FIRE isn’t as accurate as it could’ve been. For one, since this is such a huge topic, I didn’t exactly account for inflation. The truth is if you’re 30 now, you want to aim for \$1M by 65 if you want to Retire For Good (RFG). This is because \$1M in 35 years only amounts to \$500,000 of today’s spending power, or \$20,000/year in returns based on the 4% rule. This also assumes you can live off \$20,000/year. Some people can’t. From this point forward, please note I’ll be using a tilde (~) to denote future value, and no tilde to denote today’s value. Here’s a post to help you math out your saving goals now, based on ~\$1M/\$500K/\$20K. Read those links, and the math should all make sense.

In any case, I now advocate working in some capacity forever. Here’s some of the reasoning as to why, but this little bit of math should convince you that working forever might just be the way to go. (Trust me, it’s not as bad as it sounds.)

If \$20,000/year is the goal, it’s very possible that someone at 65 could make that without too much effort at all. Remember, that’s only \$1,667/month. In Canada now, what you can receive from Old Age Security ranges from \$526-\$874. Let’s aim for the low figure of \$526, and subtract that from \$1,667. (OAS is considered taxable income, so keep that in mind. Also, not everyone qualifies, so read this.) You’re now left with \$1,141. Let’s also assume you have some savings. Let’s say you missed ~\$1M by a wide margin and only landed at ~\$400,000, or \$200,000 of today’s value. Going by the 4% rule which spits out \$667/month, that takes you down to \$474. Now, I don’t know about you, but making \$474/month, even in old age, seems entirely manageable to me. When retirees somehow watch 6.2 hours of TV a day now, making \$474 per month working is a better use of time and will help you retain your health. This would only mean 31.6 hours per month at \$15/hour. If that sounds bleak, it shouldn’t. At \$20/hour, that number’s 23.7, or only 3% of your month! That’s only if you’ve completely messed up your retirement savings! If you’ve saved ~\$1M, you’re done! You can coast! But if you’re like the rest of us and see yourself only reaching ~\$400,000, you should understand you can work after 65 in a way that will actually be flexible, easy, and good for you, and you’ll still be perfectly fine!

Obviously, planning for old age can be kinda scary. There’s always the possibility poor health makes it impossible for you to work. This is why you should aim for ~\$1M.

Society teaches us retirement is black-and-white. It’s not. Loads of retirees continue working to supplement their income. If you save properly now, you won’t have to work at 65, but you’ll probably want to anyway. I know I will. And even if you fuck up and don’t save ~\$1M in this lifetime, a little bit of work after 65 can go a long way.

6.2 hours of TV time a day is 186 hours per month. Can you use <24 hours to plan yourself a more secure retirement, or are we crazy?

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